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	<title>Comments on: There&#8217;s must be a lot of wrong-atude in wikipedia</title>
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		<title>By: " &#187; Mac OS 9" by Random thoughts and other stuff&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.stattenfield.com/keith/blog/2006/08/09/theres-must-be-a-lot-of-wrong-atude-in-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-1565</link>
		<dc:creator>" &#187; Mac OS 9" by Random thoughts and other stuff&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 14:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article for it. I read through it and looked at the sources, and among them was one called &#8220;There&#8217;s must be a lot of wrong-atude in wikipedia&#8220;. I always love reading those kind of articles. For the most part, it&#8217;s usually someone [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] article for it. I read through it and looked at the sources, and among them was one called &#8220;There&#8217;s must be a lot of wrong-atude in wikipedia&#8220;. I always love reading those kind of articles. For the most part, it&#8217;s usually someone [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NASA World Wind and Wikipedia &#124; James Fee GIS Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.stattenfield.com/keith/blog/2006/08/09/theres-must-be-a-lot-of-wrong-atude-in-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>NASA World Wind and Wikipedia &#124; James Fee GIS Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just more proof that Wikipedia has failed. The simple fact that someone citing a source has more pull than experts just baffles me. Reminds me of an issue last summer when a lead engineer for Mac OS 9 was edited out because he didn&#8217;t cite his sources. I say, it’s not true. So, I clicked on the little edit button, and deleted it. Done! Truth has prevailed; now 10th graders have a reliable source they can crib stuff from when they do their reports. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Just more proof that Wikipedia has failed. The simple fact that someone citing a source has more pull than experts just baffles me. Reminds me of an issue last summer when a lead engineer for Mac OS 9 was edited out because he didn&#8217;t cite his sources. I say, it’s not true. So, I clicked on the little edit button, and deleted it. Done! Truth has prevailed; now 10th graders have a reliable source they can crib stuff from when they do their reports. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lol....</title>
		<link>http://www.stattenfield.com/keith/blog/2006/08/09/theres-must-be-a-lot-of-wrong-atude-in-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Lol....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 07:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s your page. Can&#039;t you change it? And you could always email me pics of pre-releases of OS 9 :D

:o Maybe it was so classified YOU didn&#039;t know! ;)

Hey, in my defense, it&#039;s 2:44 AM. Same one you used.. it&#039;s late =]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s your page. Can&#8217;t you change it? And you could always email me pics of pre-releases of OS 9 <img src='http://www.stattenfield.com/keith/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.stattenfield.com/keith/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' />  Maybe it was so classified YOU didn&#8217;t know! <img src='http://www.stattenfield.com/keith/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hey, in my defense, it&#8217;s 2:44 AM. Same one you used.. it&#8217;s late =]</p>
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		<title>By: keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 19:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m quite certain it isn&#039;t.  I used it because it sounded humorous in ways that &quot;wrong information&quot; and &quot;wrongness&quot; and the other words that came to mind didn&#039;t.

In retrospect, wrong-a-tude might have been even better.

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quite certain it isn&#8217;t.  I used it because it sounded humorous in ways that &#8220;wrong information&#8221; and &#8220;wrongness&#8221; and the other words that came to mind didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>In retrospect, wrong-a-tude might have been even better.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.stattenfield.com/keith/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: luci s</title>
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		<dc:creator>luci s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 19:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if  &#039;wrong-atude&#039; is an English word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if  &#8216;wrong-atude&#8217; is an English word.</p>
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		<title>By: keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the personal comment should have been removed; I wrote it late at night, in a grump mood, and woke up the next morning intending to take it out, but it was long yanked before then.

The tricky thing with substantiating something like this is that I can&#039;t -- nobody published anything that says this didn&#039;t happen, in part because there&#039;s nobody who could publish it -- pre-beta releases wouldn&#039;t have been given to anyone except under a NDA, which would prevent their disclosing it, and so the only folks who would write about it are the &#039;rumor&#039; sites, and they wouldn&#039;t report non-news like &quot;Mac OS 9 still doesn&#039;t support protected memory&quot;.  It&#039;s a bit of a catch-22 -- if you have to have citations, the only citations you could get would be from folks who don&#039;t actually know the truth.

In the end, I&#039;m ok with things.  The page says &quot;investigated&quot; now, which I guess is true, but there&#039;s so much other stuff that also got investigated that isn&#039;t listed.  I initially wrote this blog entry just to vent, and since I really don&#039;t think anyone reads my blog I figured it would end there, but I guess folks picked it up from here and things steamrolled from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the personal comment should have been removed; I wrote it late at night, in a grump mood, and woke up the next morning intending to take it out, but it was long yanked before then.</p>
<p>The tricky thing with substantiating something like this is that I can&#8217;t &#8212; nobody published anything that says this didn&#8217;t happen, in part because there&#8217;s nobody who could publish it &#8212; pre-beta releases wouldn&#8217;t have been given to anyone except under a NDA, which would prevent their disclosing it, and so the only folks who would write about it are the &#8216;rumor&#8217; sites, and they wouldn&#8217;t report non-news like &#8220;Mac OS 9 still doesn&#8217;t support protected memory&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a bit of a catch-22 &#8212; if you have to have citations, the only citations you could get would be from folks who don&#8217;t actually know the truth.</p>
<p>In the end, I&#8217;m ok with things.  The page says &#8220;investigated&#8221; now, which I guess is true, but there&#8217;s so much other stuff that also got investigated that isn&#8217;t listed.  I initially wrote this blog entry just to vent, and since I really don&#8217;t think anyone reads my blog I figured it would end there, but I guess folks picked it up from here and things steamrolled from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Lol....</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lol....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, while I can understand your frustration, what I posted had a source... yours didn&#039;t. And if you&#039;d notice, it said *allegedly*. It wasn&#039;t a definitive statement. 

And if you&#039;re old enough to have worked on Mac OS 9, I find it hard to believe that you were surprised that your personal comment on the page was removed... it belongs on the Talk page.  

While I believe you know what you&#039;re talking about (what possible reason could you have to lie...) you didn&#039;t substantiate it.. all you did was say that you were a lead developer. I could claim to be George Bush, but that doesn&#039;t make it true... and besides, who would want to be George Bush? Now, I believe you, so I&#039;m not going to bother with getting into a war, but you were being a bit ridiculous.. none of us can verify who you are, so you&#039;re basically getting angry at me because I doubt you. Dishonesty on the internet isn&#039;t exactly uncommon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, while I can understand your frustration, what I posted had a source&#8230; yours didn&#8217;t. And if you&#8217;d notice, it said *allegedly*. It wasn&#8217;t a definitive statement. </p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re old enough to have worked on Mac OS 9, I find it hard to believe that you were surprised that your personal comment on the page was removed&#8230; it belongs on the Talk page.  </p>
<p>While I believe you know what you&#8217;re talking about (what possible reason could you have to lie&#8230;) you didn&#8217;t substantiate it.. all you did was say that you were a lead developer. I could claim to be George Bush, but that doesn&#8217;t make it true&#8230; and besides, who would want to be George Bush? Now, I believe you, so I&#8217;m not going to bother with getting into a war, but you were being a bit ridiculous.. none of us can verify who you are, so you&#8217;re basically getting angry at me because I doubt you. Dishonesty on the internet isn&#8217;t exactly uncommon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GlorifiedAHole</title>
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		<dc:creator>GlorifiedAHole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 04:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been kicked by the Wik&#039;?  Wish the &#039;pedia would heed ya?  Can&#039;t understand why facts don&#039;t matter to the gatekeepers of self-appointed, pseudo-authoritative &quot;references?&quot;  Wish you had your own &quot;citable source&quot; to foist your self-assured opinion on the world as thought it were unassailable fact?

Well, now YOU can have the same impact as someone who actually knows the truth and does things that truly matter -- and more!  Just go to Marco&#039;s Discount Citable Source and we&#039;ll have you up and rumor-mongering in no time!  All you have to do is write your own interview and send it to us!  We&#039;ll edit it up to look real important-like in our esoteric, pedantic Ivy League style, and publish it on our stylish, sophisticated blog.  And you can have all this in exchange for a mere lunch at a five-star restaurant and a little pandering flattery (ahem... and a small honorarium, of course).  

So contact Marco&#039;s Discount Citable Source today, and stop wasting YOUR IMPORTANT time with all those tedious facts, figures, and accomplishments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been kicked by the Wik&#8217;?  Wish the &#8216;pedia would heed ya?  Can&#8217;t understand why facts don&#8217;t matter to the gatekeepers of self-appointed, pseudo-authoritative &#8220;references?&#8221;  Wish you had your own &#8220;citable source&#8221; to foist your self-assured opinion on the world as thought it were unassailable fact?</p>
<p>Well, now YOU can have the same impact as someone who actually knows the truth and does things that truly matter &#8212; and more!  Just go to Marco&#8217;s Discount Citable Source and we&#8217;ll have you up and rumor-mongering in no time!  All you have to do is write your own interview and send it to us!  We&#8217;ll edit it up to look real important-like in our esoteric, pedantic Ivy League style, and publish it on our stylish, sophisticated blog.  And you can have all this in exchange for a mere lunch at a five-star restaurant and a little pandering flattery (ahem&#8230; and a small honorarium, of course).  </p>
<p>So contact Marco&#8217;s Discount Citable Source today, and stop wasting YOUR IMPORTANT time with all those tedious facts, figures, and accomplishments!</p>
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		<title>By: AlistairMcMillan</title>
		<link>http://www.stattenfield.com/keith/blog/2006/08/09/theres-must-be-a-lot-of-wrong-atude-in-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>AlistairMcMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Material that cannot be backed up by a reliable source should not be included.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Articles should contain only material that has been published by reputable sources.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

AppleInsider&#039;s unnamed &quot;sources&quot; cannot be considered a reliable source, so the &quot;Steve Jobs killed OS 9&#039;s protected memory&quot; thing shouldn&#039;t be in the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Material that cannot be backed up by a reliable source should not be included.</p>
<blockquote><p>Articles should contain only material that has been published by reputable sources.</p></blockquote>
<p>AppleInsider&#8217;s unnamed &#8220;sources&#8221; cannot be considered a reliable source, so the &#8220;Steve Jobs killed OS 9&#8242;s protected memory&#8221; thing shouldn&#8217;t be in the article.</p>
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		<title>By: nathos</title>
		<link>http://www.stattenfield.com/keith/blog/2006/08/09/theres-must-be-a-lot-of-wrong-atude-in-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>nathos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one [relatively easy] solution is to be interviewed by a citable source.

Perhaps &lt;a href=&quot;http://daringfireball.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gruber&lt;/a&gt; would be willing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one [relatively easy] solution is to be interviewed by a citable source.</p>
<p>Perhaps <a href="http://daringfireball.net" rel="nofollow">Gruber</a> would be willing?</p>
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